cannot measure up to the .338 Win. have been proven in the elk woods from Kentucky to British Columbia. Damn elk are tough! We have a variety of deals on Rifle Ammo, Handgun Ammo, Shotgun Ammo & Rimfire Ammo, as well as ammo for target practice, plinking, hunting, or shooting competitions. In this post, well look in-depth into that question. Mag. He handed me a hand full of shells he's been hunting with. In researching this story, I determined the muzzle energy data by choosing the most useful elk bullet weight for each specific cartridge, and then plugging it into JBMballistics.com along with an average of common factory-ammo muzzle velocities with that bullet weight. Yes without a problem. I'm sure it will be OK as long as you stay within its limitations. Recoil is light, and reach is outstanding. And yes, shots on elk can be far. Recoil is brisk, and barrel life will likely be short. The second important assumption is slightly-suboptimal to optimal shot placement. This unsung cartridge is awesome for a light, short-barreled, all-around elk rifle. If for a brief fraction of a second everything is lined up and you in that instant know you got it, take the shot. The 140-grain projectile is fairly streamlined, providing acceptable aerodynamics, and it has a protected tip (meaning only a bit of exposed lead, a tiny flat meplat where the bullet initiates negotiations with its target). Thus, a caliber that is effective from 50 yards may not have enough stopping power from 200 yards. The .338 Win. Mag. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Dec 11, 2016 Banned #5 G GKPrice Banned Joined Sep 27, 2014 Messages 2,442 Location Western Oregon awaldro7 said: My personal opinion is the 6.5 because of bullet selection and also the ability to load heavier bullets. If you want to use the 6.5 PRC for elk hunting, the additional couple hundred ft-lbs of kinetic energy the cartridge provides will certainly come in handy. Just $1 per month , Find a tough cartridge for one of the most prizedand toughestbig game animals around, We may earn revenue from the products available on this page and participate in affiliate programs. We offer a 100% Authenticity Guarantee on all products sold on our website. It may not display this or other websites correctly. 264 would be very close to your 280 you already have. If that's you, or you cover ground primarily with a 44, the .338 might be a good bet. The suggested 500-yard drop is 42.2 inches when zeroed at 200, and maintained 500-yard energy is the same as the Remington load: 1,139 ft-lbs. Nosler decided to start loading its own headstamped ammo, and its first offering was the successful 26 Nosler, itself a screamer of a cartridge. Bullet placement is everything. You may be able to use a heavier bullet and achieve more energy or a longer range with more velocity.if(typeof ez_ad_units != 'undefined'){ez_ad_units.push([[300,600],'backfire_tv-box-4','ezslot_5',175,'0','0'])};__ez_fad_position('div-gpt-ad-backfire_tv-box-4-0'); Since were talking about max distances, Id like to clarify something here. Youre also not going to shoot as well on a moving animal. border-style: solid; The Fora platform includes forum software by XenForo. vertical-align: top when I was a kid and poor I always wanted a 264 win. 100% of dead elk surveyed couldn't tell if it was a .277, .264, .284, .308 or whatever caliber bullet it was that hit 'em. Its plenty gun for elk. word-break: normal; Also no scope, open sights only. Introduced in 1959, the .264 Win. Best Ammo (Round, Load, Cartridge) for a Successful Elk Hunt. border-width: 1px; Mag., 6.5 Weatherby RPM, 6.5-300 Wby. Took my 6.5-06 AI on one elk hunt but didn't tag out. Tough bullets, deep penetration. bozo699 Oct 18, 2010 #5 If your max is 400-yards and the deer is moving, perhaps stick to 200-yards. Shot him thru the neck at 175 years and down he went. That can easily make my practical distance come down to 250-yards. For this reason, I can certainly understand why somebody would want to hunt with a 6.5 PRC, especially if that person didn't . It was like the bullet just blew up. Never ever shoot more than two shots with out a cool down. Please understand the info I giving you here is safe in my rifles. Elk Decoys; Goose Decoys; Moose Decoys; Predator Decoys; Turkey Decoys; . All loads are with the CCI LR mag primer & Barnes 120gr TSX bullet.a proven elk killer. text-align: center; I've shot a lot of animals with a 140gr bullet at around 3000fps. Or wait and hope it stops for a few seconds. In other ways 0.277" bullet development has lagged behind both the 6.5 mm and 7 mm. I would like to try Barnes TSX, but the heaviest 6.5 is 130 grains. Berger states "1:8" minimum", minimum being key. Use what you are comfortable with. Not all bullets are Max-Range bullets. I mentioned that a bullet may not perform well under 2,000 fps. They'd rather see a hunter show up in camp with a .270 he can shoot lights out than a large belted magnum he can't. one of my favorite places. It may not display this or other websites correctly. Mag. Pushing heavy bullets at well over 3,000 fps, it hits elk like a freight train. "A real death ray" he said. Beyond that distance, it doesnt carry the steam of the faster cartridges listed here. While this does protect the bullet from deformation during recoil and during travel up the feedramp and into the chamber, its more important function is to limit potentially explosive expansion (as a result of high velocity) upon impact. font-size: 14px; Re: 264 Win Mag If you go with 264, then load it like a magnum, that is the whole purpose of having a 264 magnum. It almost equals the .300 Ultra Mag, and does it with a whole lot less gunpowder. Countless Elk have been taken with the .264 and game of this size should be considered the common sense upper limit when working to the .264's strengths. I was taught as long as they're standing, put another round in. Forums Member List Calendar Active Threads: Previous Thread: Next Thread : Print Thread: Hop To : Page 3 of 3 : 1: 2: 3: Re: 264 win mag vs 7mm rem mag?? .tg .tg-4q2i { Ammunition can be found at every small-town hardware store across America. If thats the camp you hunt from, have at it, but understand that with the .338 Remington Ultra Magnum, every time you pull the trigger you will get smacked with about 45 foot-pounds of recoil. Little things that you may never have noticed can make a shot fail if you are really pushing the limits. Featuring a belt-free, standard-length case with a shoulder sharp enough to provide ultimate capacity and internal efficiency, yet not too steep for slick feeding, it outperforms even the .300 Weatherby Magnumand fits in standard-size bolt actions. Mag. Distance Bullet Carries Less Than 1,500 ft-lbs of Energy - This standard is used for elk-sized game such as kudu, moose, a waterbuck, a young eland, etc. Is this round (bullet) sufficient for Elk? First off if you have at least a 26" barrel on your rifle the muzzle velocity will be much better than that listed in most data because it is done mostly with 24" barrels. There is also a metric shit ton of bullets that didnt exist long ago that could make this one hell of a hunting round. This phenonemon is known as drag or air resistance. Feb 21, 2015 #8 OP elkeaterco WKR Joined . Every post you see about the 6.5 Creedmor declare it plenty for elk, if shot placement is right, if the angle is good, I don't see why a 264wm(6.5mm) wouldn't do the trick. Learn more . For example, most of the all-copper expanding bullets need something like 1,900 0r 2,000 fps to expand even a little. BTW, 264 WM and Berger bullets seem like kind of an odd combination in my book, unless this a coyote rig. Mag. . Is this round (bullet) sufficient for Elk? Leave the .338 Lapua etc. Mag., .30-06, and its other sibling cartridges, and it does so with less recoil. When used in any of our 6.5's it gives complete penetration. 300 Win Mag.Perfect for Elk? mag well now I have 2 both in pre-64 model 70 Winchesters ! I'd hunt that rifle. Who knew wild turkey's were so stupid!? Most all game taken has been with the first shot.Any time a second shot has been required has been rare. Combining history, high performance, and excellent manners, it is a true aristocrat among rifle cartridges. The 6.5 Creedmoor, with its .264-inch bullet, was designed as a long-range target cartridge because at modest velocity with low recoil, it could take advantage of the 6.5's heavy-for-caliber bullets, and with a short case designed for accuracy, it could handle long bullets in a short bolt action. } I should mention the shot was at about 75 yards. AJ. I understand this is an old thread, but want to reply anyway, SOCIALIST CONTROLLED TERRITORY OF NEW YORK, The rifle range, or archery range or behind the co, Sagauache County, Co3170 sq miles, not a single. First shot passed completely through both shoulders and exited leaving a hole about the size of a half dollar. I know there are better bigger options but this is my rifle I am most familiar with. When used in any of our 6.5's it gives complete penetration. Offering heavier bullets, greater terminal energy, more frontal diameter, and a vast selection of projectiles suitable for handloading courtesy of its 7mm military cartridge predecessors, all at a price of only a bit more recoil and a little lost velocity, the "Seven Mag" became a cartridge in every American hunter's vocabulary, while the excellent .264 Win. First, the average bullet weight is encapsulated in the average muzzle energy for the .264 Winchester Magnum. Again, the goal of this article is simply to address the question of whether .264 Winchester Magnum is within the ideal range of suitable calibers to harvest elk - and to this question, the response again is yes, the .264 Winchester Magnum is A GOOD CHOICE for elk hunting. It will drive this 120gr TSX bullet completely thru an elk even at an acute angle. I shot a Canadian whitetail last fall using the same load. Hunting is supposed to be fun and if that is your idea of fun, you could probably have even more of it with a .378 Weatherby. The Bigger Question is, whats YOUR maximum? Backfire LLC owns and operates this website. One even has the cartridge in his user name. typically must be handloaded to achieve the above velocity figures. Jim Harmer is a host of the Backfire Youtube channel. This is a grand-old cartridge based on the .308 Winchester, but it is loaded with a .358-caliber bullet. Took my best bull with it on public land in 2014. Re: 264 Win Mag for elk. I would not even consider the 156 Berger with a 1:9" twist. As an owner of a .264 Winchester Magnum, Craig Boddington's article on using a .264 Winchester Magnum in Africa was interesting. As far as ammo goes, both Winchester and Remington still produce .264 Win. Today, many outstanding component bullets and suitable propellants are available for loading the .264 Win. ABLR is my preference. Mag. It weighed 59 grains. 62x51 20 barrel 30-06 springfield 300 prc (new) 30-378 weatherby 300 h&h magnum 300 remington short action utlra mag 300 norma magnum (new) 300 winchester magnum (new) 300 wsm 300 weatherby . border-spacing: 0; font-size: 14px; However, where I hunt elk with this gun ranges are rarely under 300 yards, and this is also a 12 lb rifle. There's an old saying attributed to elk guides. Shot placement is much easier for a hunting weight rifle 8-91/2 lbs in .264 WinMag than a .3xx Rumchester Mag for the vast majority of us hunters. I never kept another one in a deer. Was shooting Hornady 129gr InterBond at 3130FPS. Unlike the predecessors .458, .264 and .338 Winchester Magnums it has a longer case and a rather short neck (.264") in order to increase the case capacity. All Shooting Times subscribers now have digital access to their magazine content. } One of these is the . 7mm Mag and.I usually use 200 grain Partitions or Barnes TSX's in my 300 Win Mag. He has managed multiple gun ranges, and has hunted around the world. The bullet with the lowest expansion threshold is Nosler Accubond Long Range, which expands starting at 1300 fps. Minimum sucks. The shot was just behind the front leg. Deer Size Game: Such As, Antelope, Blacktail Deer, Hogs, Javelina, Mule Deer, And Whitetail Deer. load drops only 29 inches at 500 yards and 109 inches at 800. While Im generally not a fan of short magnum cartridges, this one has proven itself a very capable elk cartridge and deserves a place on the list. Every good elk cartridge has three primary characteristics: authority, reach, and good bullets. Texas. Re: 264 Win Mag for hunting, what do you think. Joseph Von Benedikt visits with Aaron Oelger from Hodgdon about the unprecedented demand on the shooting supply industry. Thanks for any input. You might want to consider taking a second rifle as a backup. Much like the .30-06, the .270 Winchester is an all-around workhorse. Good luck on yours, its a great calibre. Alpha Class Long Range Scope Review - TT, ZCO, Schmidt, March, Vortex, Warner Tool Flat Line Projectile 122gr 6.5 Variant. Mag. The 6.5 Creedmoor is no dragon slayer. } If you want to max things out, you need a bullet that will expand at lower velocities. Yes, the .264 Winchester Magnum is A GOOD CHOICE for elk hunting, under average conditions, from a mid-range distance, with a medium grain expanding bullet, and with correct shot placement. The .264 Winchester Magnum is a magnum-length cartridge developed by Winchester Repeating Arms in 1959. UPS has officially stopped shipping guns? Good for you. May use it this fall again. But with this 156 load at elk hunting elevation here in Wyoming, it retains 1500 ft-lbs out to 1175+ yards, and the elk we have taken in the lase several years have ranged from the closest at 500 yds, to the farthest at 910 yds. ABLR, AB, BERGER, EDLX all will work. to those guys that make a living with them and stay in shape to ENJOY CARRYING 15 LBS AROUND. Mag. I think he is shooting a 140 Berger, but not totally sure on that. Shot placement is the key. Second Media Corp., 111 Peter Street, Suite 600, Toronto, Ontario, M5V 2H1, Canada. 264 Winchester Magnum / Specifications: owners the advantages of increased velocity and the dramatically better ballistic coefficients gained by a heavier projectile of smaller diameter. The average 130-grain .277-diameter bullet struggles to achieve a BC of much more than 0.450, while even a moderately aerodynamic 140-grain .264 bullet approaches 0.500, and a streamlined one, such as Berger's 140-grain Hunting VLD, offers an astonishing 0.612. The retained weight will be higher than the jacketed bullet, thus during the impact will act like a heavier bullet than the 140g. The primary difference between the 6.5 Grendel and 6.5 Creedmoor is the rifles they were designed for. What about the other assumptions? The .264 mag & 6.5's in general are gaining in popularity rapidly. Proprietary Bonding Process In essence, good elk cartridges drive tough, heavy bullets of healthy diameter, and drive em fast. But, because elk have big antlers and big bodies, some hunters believe it takes an even bigger bullet to kill them. Introduced as late as 1963 this cartridge was soon to become the most popular in the line of .300 magnums. 2 Voll konische Kupferlegierungsjacke . This article does not serve as the final say, but simply as a starting point for beginner hunters, as well as a venue for further discussion. Just like the title says is it a good choice. You must log in or register to reply here. is It a model 70 super grade or a sako pre-Garcia you are going to use? Mag. might produce recoil similar to a 9.5-pound .338 Lapua Mag. Those who prefer the traditional cartridges are having a difficult time seeing their favorite cartridges being over shadowed by the 6.5. which is why they attack it. Today, the 7mm Rem. Still have my Rem 700 264 ( 23 1/2" stainless Bbl. ) }. . People hunt elk all the time with a lot less rifle. Mag. In general, a bullets maximum effective range is the distance at which it no longer travels fast enough to reliably expand when it hits a target. Mag. Happy Trails. font-weight: bold; Superformance is safe to use in ALL firearms, including semi-autos, lever gun and pump actions. Make sure to watch till the end. In pure engineering terms, the 30 Nosler is the best of the entire flock of 30-caliber magnums. In purely practical terms, no elk cartridge equals the beautifully balanced .300 Win. border-width: 1px; No other elk cartridge offers the combination of style and performance like the .300 Weatherby does. Ive made my longest two kills on elk with the .280 AIboth one shot and done. 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