sniper rifle. UT Utah Ordnance Plant (S.A.A.) So, to address your concern, I don't think those ARE the original stamps on a new barrel I think the stamps on the receiver (with BSA marks) are original, and the stamps on the barrel (with Enfield inspection stamps) are consistent with it being a WWII produced barrel.In most instances of course, the date a barrel was produced will correspond quite closely to when it is installed and the weapon reissued (with the exception of those held in store - usually marked with a rectangle/box stamp). UK)
Military small arms, Generally, the infantry (County regts.) SOP Sangamon Ordnance Plant
2-groove bores are notorious for poor accuracy with boat tails. KN Kansas Ordnance Plant
"ch", "gsb". W.O.P. Nomenclature
BA British Association screw thread
MC Finsbury, South Australia
M.L.E.R. Station Monograms are found marked on military transit cases and packaging as
A guide to the Lee Enfield .303 RIFLE No. Ordnance
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C.M.T. USA.
Home of the well known author of The Lee-Enfield, and many others books. Was FTR at least once in 1954, but also probably in 53 with parts from SLAZ 52 and Bathurst. HAL Halifax (Royal Canadian Navy)
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codes may be found on various wartime small arms manufactured in Nazi-occupied
When reference is made to an all matching SMLE the serial numbers must all be the same. P.E. M.L.O. F.S. C.I.A. Cavalry Carbine Mk I (also II,
Schrivenham
When the number sequence reached 9999 the next letter assigned to the factory would be substituted in place of the former. WT/C McDonald Chemical, Waterloo*
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MQ (S.A.A.) So yes it is an acceptance mark (the arrow) and where the date on the barrel significantly post dates the date on the receiver it is indicative of rebarrelling, but it is the date of manufacture and acceptance of the barrel, not reissue of the rifle, in my view. Association
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MEC Maribyrnong, Vic. Riot Gun. Ministry of Supply:
Observation post
The prime reference is 'List of Changes in British War Material', the monthly
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C37.62mm Parker Hale M82 Sniper Rifle in Canadian
A.C.I. ENFIELD 1916 SHT.L.E. UK and Mosul
L81A1 7.62mm Cadet Target Rifle, version of the Parker Hale M82
L1A1 Rifle, 7.62mm (Canadian service is C1 & C1A1)
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S.R.S.A.F. 5 Rifle Jungle Carbine. dailyinfo[6]=' 69561 Artisan ABDUL GHANI Indian Railway Department who died 06/04/1919 BASRA MEMORIAL Iraq '
I did scan Reynolds this morning for a look at the use of the HV mark as standard during WWI and found this: July 6th 1911 LoC (quoted in Reynolds pp117-8 he does not provide the specific LoC number), For rifles of future manufacture and conversion..[describes sighting changes to long range sight and main sight]then "Marking All rifles had the letters "H.V. Found some unused here is the States. R.S.A.R.F. 2
D.I.L. Thanks a lot for all the information. Repair
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Can be used on Challenger AFV. M.L.M.R. M.L.E.C. 1*, MK. grenade and L9 SUSAT sight. D.W.P. A.I.D. C3 7.62mm converted M1919A4 Browning MG
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The simplest way to identify any particular (government contracted) Lee-Enfield up to the No1 MkVI is by its buttsocket markings. ". The new S/N matches the Knox form & receiver S/N. BSF British Standard fine thread
Director General of Equipment
The simplest way to identify any particular (government contracted) Lee-Enfield up to the No1 MkVI is by its buttsocket markings. M.E. V.A.O.S Vocabulary of Army Stores
reserved Ian D. Skennerton, German Manufacturing Codes of
MAB Bathurst, NSW
WA/C Wainwright
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are most likely to have been marked in lower case rather than capital letters as
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S.A.E.D. It has since been sporterised from military spec into a hunting rifle. LC Lake City Ordnance Plant (S.A.A.) Australian Field Artillery who died 14/04/1917 GREVILLERS BRITISH CEMETERY France '
C1 7.62mm FAL rifle
GBK Glenbrook, NSW
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monograms may also be found incorporated in various case headstamps, marked on
Nottingham) produced the H&K 9mm MP5A3 SMG and variants for S.A.S.,
You may also find the "Broad Arrow"- 3 marks that make an arrow- British equivalent to the US Flaming Bomb mark- indicates govt issue.
However, the meaning of the date stamp is, in my view, the year the barrel was produced. W.C.& S Ltd. William Clowes & Sons Ltd.
It should typically say something like; (Crown) G.R. T. Tracer
AFV MG.
N/T Night tracer
B.F.M. DOD Delaware Ordnance Depot
FWA Fremantle, WA
Range table
BM denotes 'Birmingham Military', proved to the same pressures as the military proof. 2
My continuing concern, is why would older original stamping, the original barrel proof mark and the original barrel inspection marks be on a completely new barrel. ), Some more British
C.C.I. DEN Denman, NSW
I know pretty much nothing about rifles but I picked this one up in a trade. like, in collections, or for sale by dealers. ME Maribyrnong, Vic. O.C. L26A1 30mm Rarden
and provision for fitting 50-rd. K.W.H.
Keliner,
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You know more about this than I do, so hopefully, we can make some sense of those markings. These
ALB Albany, West Australia
RD Redstone Arsenal
The .303-cal. C.I.S.A. Semi-armour piercing
MEM Mulwala, NSWalso Membury UK? CIL Canadian Industries Ltd.*
L34A1 9mm Submachine Gun. List of Changes paragraph
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Further,I believe the mark was not just applied to converted rifles, but also newly produced ones (after 1910). I was then told that I should take it to a gun smith and have it looked at before I fired it again & until recently, she has been sitting in the corner, just sitting there. General service
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HG Hendon, U.K.
Obviously that is usually very close to the rifle's assembly date/barrel's installation date (if a rebarrel) but the stamp itself does not I think signify a reissue as then it would not be present on rifles with the original barrel and in my experience it is, universally, on standard military rifles. proof). there is no British
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Re: Lee Enfeild No 4 Mk1 Markings by Saxon Cross 23 Mar 2012, 13:50 Your serial No. B.S.S. Ammunition The following ammunition can be used by the Lee-Enfield SMLE. Further development of Hughes EX34
[3] [4] D.D.E. GunBoards.com; http://forums.gunboards.com/forumdisplay.php?s=2f962e6f7faa370aaa803a0a9aed0042&f=55. O.F.M. British Standard Specification
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HDN Helidon, Qld. DAQ Dominion Arsenals, Quebec (S.A.A. L97 ? Stratton also indicates this (1997:62) mark as barrel manufacture date. Anti-tank
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WW2 period references
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Military Rifles.com; http://www.militaryrifles.com/Britain/Metford.htm . R.S.A.F. in service manuals and reports are sometimes quite obvious but at other times,
L-prefix nomenclature was introduced into British
M.C.S. And a little earlier in time
Director General of Factories
However it did not result in a change of the rifle mark designation, but altered rifles were marked HV on the barrel immediately behind the back sight. MG (S.A.A.) Naval service
Over the years I have received many emails regarding serial numbers. Light machine gun
This pattern was universal on all the examined rifles so I don't see all my 1917 rifles being reissued in 1917 etc, On these rifles the stamping of the serial on the barrel was much more consistent and straight even in high production years like 1916/7/8 where one might expect less neat stamping (see below confused by the overstamped UK civ. centuries. V.A.E. trials)
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L24A1 .50cal MG, Ranging Drill. It was arguably the best combat rifle of World War I. If anyone knows any awesome machinists/gun smiths that can take this job one. M.E.C. Schmidt & Bender scope. 3. Superintendent Royal Small
TV Townsville, Qld. For someone very new to the milsurp market, a lot of guns like Mosins, various Mausers and clones, Lee Enfields, Lugers, etc, will have certain parts with serial numbers that should match the receiver's serial number. So here is a 1918 BSA with its original barrel and BSA inspection marks on both components, Here is a 1918 BSA with a WWII produced replacement barrel with an Enfield inspection marks (but BSA mark on receiver as per original rifle) this is the same rifle as shown above to demonstrate uneven serial stamping. J.W.H. SCK Snake Creek, NSW
Fantastic information, everyone. MG/C McGiuney
L23A1 Rifle, 7.62mm Instructional. applicable to many of our studies, (British, Empire and Commonwealth oriented,
No4 rifles were given a starting number that may be used to identify manufacturers, but again there was no set serial blocks. R.C.L. dailyinfo[25]=' 1720 Private Sidney ORDERS 1st Bn. L4A2 7.62mm Bren LMG conversion (X10E2) w/ lightened bipod, steel barrel. Designations found on drawings:
A compendium of more than 135 known marks observed on Lee-Enfield oilers. Remembered Today:
MFG Goulburn, Vic. MPT Tamworth, NSW
So there are certainly at least 2 meanings for the HV mark, those service rifles which were altered, and some specialist Target Rifles for example, which had ' strengthened ' High Velocity barrels. and scabbards, it is quite possible that they may also appear on firearms and
(S.A.A. EY Emergency
If you are fortunate enough to own a Lee-Enfield rifle or bayonet that is unit marked, congratulations! S.B. L102A1 Pistol, Automatic (Walther P5 Compact)
Some SMLEs may be found with as little as a 3 digit number and high as a 5 digit number. Low velocity
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MA (small arms) Lithgow (81mm mortar
Machine gun
Army Training Memorandum
What this page will attempt to provide is a basic overview of the serial system and where to find them along with the manufacture markings and barrel date stamp that is common on most Enfields. M.G. Projector, infantry, anti-tank
MF (S.A.A.) LS Red River Arsenal (Lone Star Div.) LA/C L'Arcadie
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Sulphur-less fine grain
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A.I.S. The Lee Enfield Number 1 Rifles shows full-length views, close-ups of actions and parts of all Number 1 series rifles. L48A2 37mm Riot Gun, upgraded variant of L48A1. S.P. Lee-Enfield
A quick step-by-step guide to help you distinguish an 1880's Mk I from a 1970's Mk V. It's easier than you think. co (Birmingham Small Arms Co.), The ability to think and speak doesn't necessarily guarantee intelligence, The "S" could denote Stevens - Savage, Mass,USA and the "HT" may mean that it's fitted with a heavy barrel for range work.On top of the knox form there should be a "H" stamped on it denoting this and the if there's a HV stamped on the stock it means it can use the high velocity machine gun ammo. B. These were introduced in LOC 15638 dated 1 October 1911 to govern alterations to existing rifles and new manufacture. Want to put a standard armory stock barrel on it. dailyinfo[18]=' J/71444 Ordinary Seaman John Dolby DIAPER H.M.S. Royal Ordnance Factory
L10 ? Matching serial numbers is always a plus. 'The LEE-ENFIELD ' Skennerton A Century of Lee-Metford & Lee-Enfield Rifles & Carbines. M.G.1
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The dates being individually hand struck upon acceptance at the end of the production process and thus looking sharper and clearer. However I would also contend that HV was also stamped on post 1910 new production rifles, not just older modified ones - tomorrow I can survey a reasonable sample and report back but as I noted above, I checked 7 or 8 I had to hand this evening and all the wartime dated receivers had it. BF/C Bishop's Falls
Stratton also indicates this (1997:62) mark as barrel manufacture date. MEC (propellant) Maribyrnong Cordite
Machine carbine
A.P. S.o D. Superintendent of Design
L16 81mm Mortar. D. of A. Lee Metford information and pics. }, was shipped to the Australian Forces . I had just bought the rifle & didnt know anything about firearms, so I handed the rifle over to a buddy of mine that told me what had happened. Royal Gunpowder Factory
WCC Western Cartridge Co. (In no particular order)
PLM Plumbrook Ordnance Works
MH (S.A.A.) Small Arms Inspection Dept. The BSA literature for my BSA ' Long Lee ' Target Rifle specifically refers to it having a specially strengthened ' High Velocity ' barrel, which is also marked ' HV '. More noted in service pams:
The gun has been sporterized. I include a (poor) photo below showing the marks on wartime produced rifles. Almost want to rebarrel it but finding someone with the tools is hard. No experience necessary. DK Deer Park, Vic. (A) Army Design Department (Aust. AC Brownsburg
On Lee Enfields, there are various places to look: The receiver. No. Left side of barrel reinforce are commercial proof markings applied by BSA, post-1916. B.S.A.& M.Co. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. NA/C Nanaimo
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Markings manufacturers, government, unit, armorers, misc, marks on Lee Enfield oilers, plus rifles/bayonets/oilers for sale. Here is a 1912 produced rifle BSA rifle with its original 1912 barrel. View basket for details. Army Inspection Service
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Can anyone help me identify what the other markings mean. BG/C Granby
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Instructional skeleton model of L7. L8A17.62mm Machine Gun, AFV; redesigned L7. L98A1 5.56mm Cadet General Purpose rifle. III (& 7pt star) best pic of the additional markings above the serial # on the upper left (in the light glare) and above the last few digits of the serial #. "kfk",
L19A1 7.62mm L7 series with heavier barrel to preclude barrel changes. There are five different models (called Marks) of oilers.
2) which arms factory manufactured the rifle, 4) what Number (type or model) of rifle it is and. Armour piercing tracer
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I read that BO would indicate early 1944. It is easy to tell them apart. Terminal velocity
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Hughes EX34 chain gun applied to
G.O. L59A1 D.P. My Lee-Enfield #1 mark 3 SMLE Here are the manufaturers mark. S.F.G. Belgian
Such examples of items produced in the occupied
L3A2 .30 cal Browning M1919A4 (flexible). L66A1 5.6 x 16mmR (.22RF) Pistol Automatic, Walther, target. solenoid. Interesting info on looking after C&R rifles, including wood restoration. Tell us what yours is stamped and we can tell you the details. In addition I would suggest the style of marking of the serial number on the barrel (both the font and the unevenness of the line, and the apparent absence of the Y prefix) suggests this is indeed a replacement barrel. 700m iron sight, 6x42
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L8A27.62mm Machine Gun, AFV, improved variant of the L8A1. EA Edgewood Arsenal
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R.S.M.L.E. L.S. Very nice.
There is no BNP stamp on barrel near the Knox form. I am about to go off to access my secure storage so I will check both this and the HV mark and report back. Separate loading
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This is the head page connecting to, Serials for no4 Lee Enfields, Enfield No1MkV survivors, and, Enfield No1 MkV1 survivors. // Stop Define Variables for days of the month
MBO Bendigo, Vic. MOM Momote
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MYM Myambat, NSW
M.H.R. Angels Match Making Service; http://www.milsurps.com/forumdisplay.php?f=48 Mismatched Lee Enfield rifles and parts seeking a home. Australia:
S.A.C. Mean time or Missed target
Found a barrel though. "(for High velocity) marked on the barrel underneath the backsight leaf".